Tuesday, November 30, 2004

Evil president bans progress

I got in an argument with an acquaintance the other night about the moral pros and cons of cloning humans and embryonic stem cell research.
Admittedly this was a stupid thing to do on my part, since my opponent was both drunk and an idiot. In the future I will learn to choose my battles. But since the argument did in fact take place, despite all the rational reasons why it should not, I will share it with you, so you can also feel just slightly dumber.
My argument: 1. Scientists have achieved much more with adult stem cell research than embryonic stem cell research (I don’t actually have any facts to back this up, but it sounded like it might be true, which is more than I can say for most of his retorts). 2. Human babies should be neither harvested nor cloned for stem cell research – obviously my faith-based morals influenced this argument, but to me that does not make it less valid. 3. You’re an idiot. 4. God did not intend us to create people. 5. Please stop hitting me.
His argument: 1. Stem cell research could save the world. 2. If you would give your own life to save millions of people, why shouldn’t you give the lives of babies? They can’t even think yet (it used to be liberals argued that life does not begin at conception. Now, apparently, the argument is that life does not begin until the child can form complete sentences and name all the animals. By this logic, a mother who drowns her newborn should not be charged with murder, since the baby “couldn’t even think yet,” and therefore probably didn’t mind.) 3. Now, thanks to President Bush, stem cell research is illegal in this country. 4. Yes it is illegal! Look it up. It is.
So I did look it up, and was interested to find out that less than two weeks ago, California voted to allocate $3 billion to support stem cell research. I thought it was interesting that the president would let them vote for something illegal.
In an Aug. 3 column for the Washington Post, Anne Applebaum, an advocate of liberalizing the national policy on stem cell research, nevertheless thought the waters murky enough to clear up in her column. “Stem cell research is not, in fact, either illegal or unfunded,” she said. “The federal budget in 2003 included $24.8 million for human embryonic stem cell research – up from zero in 2000.”
The idea that the research is illegal stems from the ban on federal funding for research involving fetal tissue or the harm of human embryos.
The fact is, the concept that the evil president is trying to prevent America from finding cures that will save the world, is mostly perpetuated by the rhetoric used in the democratic campaign, as Ms. Applebaum pointed out.
“Listening to all these speeches, you might come away with the impression that stem cell research is illegal in this country, and that if our recalcitrant, medieval, anti-science fundamentalist president would only “lift the ban” or lose the election, there would be ‘magic’ cures for old people with Alzheimers and children with diabetes,” she said.
Even scientists have not gone so far as my inebriated friend did, in saying that stem cell research will save the world. In all fairness, he later conceded that it might not save the whole world.

2 Comments:

At 12:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wanted to point out that while there is a link between faith and the belief that life starts at conception and therefore should not be terminated, It is only by the same thread that people of faith believe any of the ten commandments should be followed. Being pro - life is not, as the media likes to portray it, a religous issue but a human rights issue. There is not to my knowledge anything in the bible saying "thou shalt not commit abortion" (God probably thought " thou shall not murder" covered it). Pro- life is not so much the position of the "religous right" as of the morally correct. The idea of not murdering someone before they are born is not some senseless archaic rule decreed by a stubbornly nonprogressive god. It is simply common sense which is why it is increasingly unpopular.

Also as a totally unbiased reader who is not related to you, I must say that you are right about everything and everyone else is wrong. Also I coincidentally also know your ambiguosly spiritual friend mentioned in a previous article and I was wondering if you would email me the name of her husband because I forgot it and I need it to send a christmas card. Thanks
P.S I know my spelling is awful but I am still right. Also correct.

 
At 11:05 PM, Blogger Neemund said...

Myth #1: “Bush is banning stem cell research”
President Bush is the only President to ever allocate any Federal money specifically for stem cell research. However, he decided that he didn’t want to support stem cells research where the destruction of a unique embryo would take place.

Myth #2: “Embryonic stem cells show much more promise than adult stem cells”
This also is not the case. The discovery and first experimentation with stem cells occurred in 1983. These were embryonic stem cells, so we have been playing with them for almost 22 years now. Adult stem cells were not discovered until the early 90s and serious experimentation with them did not take place until 1997. Since that time – with no specific federal funding of any kind – there has been much more progress with the adult stem cells, although only one third of the time has passed. I might be a little off in my dates because its been a while since I've read up on the issue, but I think that they are right, give or take a year.

Myth #3: “Cloning is the ultimate identity theft”
“Imagine a world when a thief can get a few cells off of your body and clone you. They could create a genetic copy of you which would look and act exactly like you, but wouldn’t be you.” Now there’s a load of crap if I’ve ever seen one. So you take nuclei from a subject and put them into embryos. If they can successfully plant those embryos into wombs and one of them is born 9 months later, congratulations you now have an identical twin. The only problem will be the age difference, if you are 30 your twin is not going to be born a fully developed 30 year old, they will be 30 years younger than you. Will they look like you? Most certainly. Will they act like you? That’s uncertain, you’d have to get into the whole nature/nurture debate here.


Then there is the moral issues involved. Is cloning the creation of new life or an extension of an existing life? If you clone a person and take the embryo when it is in its stem cells stage and inject it into someone’s heart, and it develops into heart tissue are you creating then immediately destroying a life or are you simply rearranging tissue inside of a body? I personally would have no moral objections to such a scenario. However, if someone were to clone themselves and allowed that clone to develop into an infant for the purpose of harvesting their organs, then I definitely would have a problem with that. Some people completely object to all forms of genetic research on moral grounds, they have every right to do so. I am more inclined to believe that God gave us a sense of curiosity and a desire to change things. Does God want us cloning ourselves so we can harvest organs from a cloned infant, I highly doubt it. That would be no different, except probably more expensive, than killing your identical twin and stealing their organs. Is creating cloned cells for the purpose of repairing tissue in the body crating a new life? Personally I don’t think it is, but others are very militant in their opposition to my belief on the subject.

 

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